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He was the most fascinating person
that I met.

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There was only one Malachi Martin.

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He drew you to him.

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He was very charming.

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He's a fighter.

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He is a warrior of God.

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He was a mythomaniac.

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He was just a liar, a scoundrel and a fraud.

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We have a special guest today.

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It was an honor to meet him.

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It is recognized
as one of the leading experts

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for Vatican affairs.

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First of all, he is an outstanding theologian.

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An expert on the Catholic Church,
former Jesuit

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and professor at the Papal School
Bible Institute.

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Bestselling author
Vatican, The Final Conclave,

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The devil's hostages and the Jesuits.

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He is also an exorcist.

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Exorcism is healing.

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Very difficult, but effective.

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He helps people living in hell.

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In hell.

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What's your name?

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The truth is

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that whether we like it or not,

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the devil exists.

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It's there.

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He is our enemy.

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And he hates us.

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His goal is to destroy our souls.

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This is reality.

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Not for everyone

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but there are real cases.

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That's why exorcism exists.

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If the Church did not believe in this,

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he wouldn't carry them out.

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Words do not teach.

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We don't learn through words,

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and by experience.

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People need to experience this for themselves.

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I know that when you meet someone

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with the presence of evil,

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will understand

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what exists and what doesn't.

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Watch out for Martin.
He was NOT a friend of Christ.

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On the Internet
there are many lies about Malachi.

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I recommend caution,

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although it is interesting

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They slander him.

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This is the way we want it
straighten out some lies.

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He was my friend
but also a good, holy man.

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I want to tell you about it.

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We didn't talk much about his exorcism.

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Except the last one.

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I asked him not to carry it out.

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He kept telling me

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that he will only be an assistant.

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I didn't even count on it.

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An exorcist must be a holy priest.

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Protected by the grace of the Church.

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I believe that during the last exorcism,

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in which he participated,

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he was the real target.

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This girl was just bait.

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Does it look like in the movie The Exorcist?

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This is fiction. There isn't
nothing to do with the facts.

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I didn't see any heads turning.

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For starters

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please tell us about yourself,

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about your experience

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and about current endeavors.

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I think I'll bore you,

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but listeners can
not know much about me

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so let's start with the basics.

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I was born
in Kerry, Ireland 70 years ago.

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Seventy years ago.

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Seven-zero.

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I was educated in Ireland
and I joined the Jesuits there

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right before the war started.

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And after the war

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they sent me to Belgium,
I would continue my education.

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When I finished in Leuven,

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they placed me in the Papal Office
Biblical Institute in Rome.

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It's a Vatican institute
training professors of Scripture.

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His doctrine has recently declined.

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For American Catholics in 1955

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the world looked unbelievable.

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Lots of people converted.

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Many new churches were built.

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Then the Vatican Council took place,

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whose goal was to refresh the Church,

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which was developing quickly anyway.

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And here it is within a few years
everything starts to fall apart.

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PRIEST AND COMMENTATOR

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Churches are closing. Nuns and priests

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they leave the faith. The number of religious orders is decreasing.

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Every social problem
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managed to solve,

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is back.

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The council was not a scout meeting.

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It was a meeting of people

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engaged in combat

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about the future of the Church.

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They talked

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about the humanization of the Church.

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About the upgrade.

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Modernization.

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He was supposed to serve the world, not dominate it.

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It was a very exciting time
in the history of the Church.

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Malachi Martin helped me a lot

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in discovering people,

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who were involved.

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Into the revolution.

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- Is this Vatican II?
- Vatican II,

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from '62 to '65,
thanks to the discussed popes.

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And cardinals.

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They were guided by the thought: “At all costs

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we must come to terms with the world.

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We were isolated.

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Let's modernize everything

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To do this,

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during the council they rejected sacred traditions

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being part of the Catholic Church

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since the first popes

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in the 1st century.

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He came from Ireland.

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He was...

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He had numerous siblings.

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He probably only had one sister,
but I'm not sure.

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MALACHI MARTIN'S FRIEND

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His all brothers

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they became famous Catholics.

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Martin brothers. Malachi was no worse.

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He followed in the footsteps of his brothers.

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He was like the priests Indiana Jones,

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He wandered around Middle Eastern caves.

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Helped decipher
Dead Sea Scrolls.

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He spoke many languages.

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And he remained a loyal Catholic.

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He was loyal to the papacy, loyal to the Mother of God.

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That's what they were based on
all his beliefs.

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He was very attractive.

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He was the life of the party

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he told dirty jokes.

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I became a good detective

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as a correspondent for TIME magazine.

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I got to the bottom of the matter.

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He had lots of stories.

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Some...

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Some even turned out to be true.

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Kaiser was an independent
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during the Second Vatican Council.

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He was closely associated with the Jesuits.

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The Jesuits were afraid

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that Malachi after leaving...

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AGENT AND FRIENDS

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...will reveal their secrets,

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because he knew everyone in Rome.

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So they probably decided that they would deal with it,

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before he takes them down.

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All this helped Kaiser

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express your hatred

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and harm Malachi.

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I explored the character of Malachi Martin.

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So I wrote this book.

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It's called Clerical Error.

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I describe not only his mistakes,
but also your own

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caused by lack of sober thinking.

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I thought it was too good a story
not to tell her,

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and that only I can do it

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because only I knew it in its entirety.

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Only I was ready

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get to the bottom of it

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and come back.

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So...

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I thought he would even make it
good movie.

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Good document.

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Because it's a fascinating story.

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True or not.

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He clearly said that he left the Jesuit order

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mainly because in the 1960s the Jesuits,

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like many other organizations at that time,

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they turned sharply to the left.

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I asked him, “So after the second council

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The Jesuits stood on the left side of the pitch?� 

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He smiled and replied:
"No, they were outside the stadium."

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Pope John said,
that Malachi should leave Rome.

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Not priesthood, but Rome.

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He justified it this way:

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“If you stay…� 

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I shouldn't have said that on camera.
"If you stay,

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you will turn into another one
fat cardinal with his lover

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living near Rome

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The way to deal with this is

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from his perspective,

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was to obtain
from Pope Paul VI document,

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which he called a rescript.

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He fired him on two out of three
priestly oaths.

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From the vows of obedience,

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thanks to which he could leave the Jesuits,

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and vows of poverty,

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that enabled him

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leading the layman
the author's life in the West.

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The only wedding he had left

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it is a vow of chastity.

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He stuck with it until the end of his life.

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Priests are, above all, people.

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And people's moods change

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in life.

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Privacy and respect for it
are the most important.

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Because I know that relationships
the priest and his superior

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are related to various things
confidential information.

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And I know that priests
they often receive dispensations.

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I would like to have more evidence of this

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that he was released from two
not three weddings.

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It's strange to me

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that he is released from three oaths,
and leaves the third.

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In 1964 I came to America
and I gained citizenship.

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I lived in New York.
I write books here

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and I appear on TV and radio.

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You have written many books,

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concerning mainly
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the Vatican and things like that.

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Correct.

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When he got here, he had no money.

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He earned it as much as he could.

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He washed dishes and drove a taxi.

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Anything to make a living.

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He worked at the Encyclopædia Britannica,
but he didn't like it.

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He said it was like that

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packing other people's knowledge into books.

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He wanted to do something of his own.

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This didn't sit well with him.

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When I met him

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he didn't plan to be a writer.

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I started talking to him
about the author's career.

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I said if he gave me enough time,

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I will make him a popular writer.

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It takes time.

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We worked together for 30 years.

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We were also friends.

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First, I was its editor and publisher,

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and when I started working as an agent,

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he became my client.

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I say mass every morning. I am a priest.

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I pray my breviary.

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And that's pretty much it.

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I have published 15 books.

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I'm working on the sixteenth.

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This is my life. Without many adventures.

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He was good at analysis
the world around him.

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He put human anxieties into words

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caused by an apparent implosion
a perfect, great church.

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And let's remember
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Catholicism was to become
America's official religion.

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Suddenly Malachi Martin appeared
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analytics, intelligence, eloquence.

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He gave people answers.

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That's why it had such an effect

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that's why so many people
recognized him as their leader.

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There is a new generation of people
who don't know what they should believe.

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The only strength
There was unity in the Catholic Church.

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Unity.

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She's gone.

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People would kill to be with Martin.

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He meant a lot to them.

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He introduced them to faith.

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I met Father Martin through a priest

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whom we both knew in New York.

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One evening he asked:
“Want to meet Malachi?

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We can arrange dinner

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We got to know each other quite well
during this meal.

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We talked for so long
that around 11:30 p.m

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We were politely asked
to leave the restaurant,

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so that the staff could go home.

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He was such a conversationalist.

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He was a delicate, sensitive person.

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AUTHOR AND CATHOLIC SPEAKER

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He had a charming Irish accent,
who fascinated me.

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I didn't treat him as an equal.

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He was a mentor and advisor to me,

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spiritual guide,

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a role model.

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He wasn't a friend to me,

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someone on the same level.

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He was a very good friend of mine.

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He was with me when my daughter died.

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She lived only two weeks.

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I wouldn't be able to cope
if Father Martin hadn't been there.

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And he didn't have to do that. It was the middle of the night.

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FRIENDS

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He took a taxi all the way to the center,

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to be with us

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during the last ones
moments of my daughter's life

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and when she left.

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I want to deal with a different topic today

300
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and talk
about his father's experiences with exorcism.

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Yes, it's a fascinating topic

302
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for many people.

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We must first point out that

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that exorcism and possession
it's nothing pleasant,

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nothing good.

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Possession is nasty

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sick, unpleasant situation.

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You can see it well.

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Exorcism is a necessary evil,

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to help possessed people.

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One afternoon

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I saw him with a fresh wound on his forehead.
I asked what happened.

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He said it was during an exorcism

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the stool flew into the air

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and hit him on the head.

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It cost me a lot.
Two broken legs

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and bruised kneecaps.

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My life was threatened several times.

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But apparently death
it's not meant for me.

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For now.

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I also paid with hatred.

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My friends turned away from me.

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I lost many of them.

324
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You give something that you can't get back.

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With every exorcism
a part of you dies.

326
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Every time
some particle is absorbed

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and I don't know where it goes.

328
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Maybe God is keeping it somewhere.

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You lose until you have nothing left.

330
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You are exhausted.

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It's over.

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For every good deed, it seems
in this life there is a price to pay.

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And you won't get it back.

334
00:18:21,567 --> 00:18:24,167
Indeed, it adds virtue and strength

335
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and humanizes,

336
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but you also lose on this.

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After the Second Vatican Council

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many people thought

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that the baby was thrown out with the bath water.

340
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As for the essence of faith,

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Malachi was one of those people.

342
00:18:44,367 --> 00:18:47,467
He saw a lot of "nonsense".

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This led to a departure from the faith

344
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in basic things,

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such as the existence of evil and the devil.

346
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In the light of changes

347
00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:01,700
taking place in the 1960s

348
00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:05,567
people focused
on love, forgiveness,

349
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puppies and so on.

350
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We found out
that most bishops in the country

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does not believe in the devil and the essence of exorcism.

352
00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:16,067
They rejected it.

353
00:19:16,133 --> 00:19:19,700
So we created an underground of exorcists

354
00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:21,567
throughout the country.

355
00:19:25,367 --> 00:19:27,200
That's how it started for me.

356
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,467
I stopped sending them
to certain bishops.

357
00:19:34,533 --> 00:19:38,367
They referred the possessed to psychiatrists
or to the pharmacy.

358
00:19:38,767 --> 00:19:41,400
This only made it worse.

359
00:19:41,467 --> 00:19:43,633
It's a terrible ordeal.

360
00:19:48,167 --> 00:19:50,700
God and Satan cannot coexist.

361
00:19:50,767 --> 00:19:52,133
You can't...

362
00:19:52,533 --> 00:19:55,267
You can't worship them both.

363
00:19:55,333 --> 00:19:56,633
You have to choose.

364
00:19:56,700 --> 00:20:01,800
Malachi often said,
that Satan and Christ divided the world.

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00:20:02,033 --> 00:20:05,200
The Church must clearly show

366
00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:08,567
what it is and what its principles are.

367
00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,767
“When the Church asks publicly

368
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,133
and firmly, in the name of Jesus Christ...

369
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,600
CHURCH CATECHISM

370
00:20:18,667 --> 00:20:22,300
...for the protection of a person or object
against the forces of Satan

371
00:20:22,767 --> 00:20:26,067
and taking it away from his power,
we call it exorcism.

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00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:30,300
Exorcism is the rejection of demons

373
00:20:30,367 --> 00:20:32,667
or deliverance from demonic possession

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00:20:32,733 --> 00:20:35,033
through spiritual authority,

375
00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,633
which Jesus gave to his church

376
00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,800
In the Catholic baptism ceremony

377
00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:43,200
we perform an exorcism.

378
00:20:43,267 --> 00:20:45,433
It's not a blessing

379
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:46,533
but an exorcism.

380
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,500
There are two types of exorcism
in the Catholic Church.

381
00:20:49,567 --> 00:20:51,500
Those we know from baptism,

382
00:20:51,567 --> 00:20:53,767
and those that we don't talk about very often.

383
00:20:54,733 --> 00:20:57,800
As children we were taught
that there is God and the devil...

384
00:20:58,033 --> 00:20:59,667
RESEARCH OF PARANORMAL PHENOMENA

385
00:20:59,733 --> 00:21:02,000
...and that God is more powerful than the devil.

386
00:21:02,733 --> 00:21:04,133
I know

387
00:21:06,167 --> 00:21:10,067
that he can't be as honest as he is with us,

388
00:21:10,133 --> 00:21:13,067
because there are cameras here

389
00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:14,767
but it will be very open.

390
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,567
I went to classes

391
00:21:18,633 --> 00:21:21,333
with Ed and Lorraine Warren.
Lorraine said

392
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,367
that Malachi Martin will visit us.

393
00:21:23,433 --> 00:21:24,367
INVESTIGATOR OF PARANORMAL PHENOMENA

394
00:21:24,433 --> 00:21:26,767
She said he was an exorcist.

395
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,500
I couldn't wait.

396
00:21:29,567 --> 00:21:32,767
I deliberately sat at the back

397
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,600
so as not to cover it from the front.

398
00:21:36,233 --> 00:21:38,767
He spoke for about an hour and a half.

399
00:21:39,433 --> 00:21:43,333
At the end we lined up
in line for an autograph.

400
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,267
He stared at me in line.

401
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,600
"Oh shit."

402
00:21:50,767 --> 00:21:54,600
When it was my turn, he asked:

403
00:21:54,667 --> 00:21:57,167
“Were you sitting back there?� 

404
00:21:57,233 --> 00:21:58,333
"Yes."

405
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,633
"You kept distracting me."

406
00:22:01,133 --> 00:22:02,267
"How so?� 

407
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,600
“There is a glow surrounding you.

408
00:22:04,667 --> 00:22:07,300
Light shines from you,
one I haven't seen before.

409
00:22:08,033 --> 00:22:10,633
You are in this moment
my favorite person in this place.

410
00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:12,100
It's an honor to meet you

411
00:22:12,167 --> 00:22:13,100
Me.

412
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,100
He made me feel so special

413
00:22:16,167 --> 00:22:19,800
that I remember it to this day.
I think about it all the time.

414
00:22:22,567 --> 00:22:25,200
He was a hero to them.

415
00:22:25,633 --> 00:22:29,533
They invited him to various churches

416
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,233
and they paid him

417
00:22:31,667 --> 00:22:33,367
generous remuneration for lectures.

418
00:22:34,167 --> 00:22:38,500
They arranged publishing contracts for him,
to write his books.

419
00:22:38,567 --> 00:22:40,533
They were strange.

420
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,767
They told people what they wanted to hear.

421
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,733
He used it to get rich.

422
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,033
My name is Ralph Sarchie.

423
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:55,167
Retired New York Police Department sergeant

424
00:22:55,233 --> 00:22:56,733
and a demonologist.

425
00:22:57,367 --> 00:22:59,667
Malachi Martin's father was my mentor,

426
00:22:59,733 --> 00:23:02,567
when I started my job.

427
00:23:04,033 --> 00:23:05,333
As a religious demonologist

428
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,433
I approach this topic
from a religious point of view.

429
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:10,167
RELIGIOUS DEMONOLOGIST

430
00:23:10,233 --> 00:23:12,200
I assisted in exorcisms.

431
00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:14,767
I investigate cases of demonic activity

432
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,433
and demonic possession.

433
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,800
I'm usually the first person

434
00:23:19,033 --> 00:23:21,433
which checks
is this a real case.

435
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,267
If so, we are preparing an exorcism.

436
00:23:26,167 --> 00:23:29,033
I've seen a lot of crazy things.

437
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,133
But it's not mine
experience in the police has made

438
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,700
that I took up demonology.

439
00:23:35,767 --> 00:23:40,567
At first it was just interest,
that went beyond

440
00:23:40,633 --> 00:23:42,733
ordinary book reading.

441
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,400
I got involved in it

442
00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:48,467
and I met the right people,

443
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:52,267
thanks
I've come this far.

444
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,533
I try not to get involved
emotionally into my work.

445
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:01,367
This may lead to errors.

446
00:24:01,433 --> 00:24:04,633
That is, I am referring
emotional connection with people

447
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:08,400
to some extent,

448
00:24:08,467 --> 00:24:11,100
because, as Father Martin said,

449
00:24:11,167 --> 00:24:12,500
there is no common denominator,

450
00:24:12,567 --> 00:24:17,133
that connects all these people,
who have been possessed

451
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,400
or whose house has been haunted.

452
00:24:20,467 --> 00:24:23,100
There is no common denominator

453
00:24:23,167 --> 00:24:25,267
except that everyone suffers.

454
00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:29,300
This suffering makes
that it's so hard

455
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,367
because sometimes I need months
to get together for something.

456
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,667
One of the cops arrested this guy.

457
00:24:43,367 --> 00:24:45,800
The guy threatened him.

458
00:24:46,033 --> 00:24:48,533
-He found this house and...
- Is there still coffee?

459
00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:51,800
I look at it like this:

460
00:24:52,433 --> 00:24:55,233
God puts people in your path,

461
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,767
to teach you and show you how

462
00:24:59,667 --> 00:25:02,133
you can serve him accordingly.

463
00:25:02,533 --> 00:25:05,233
Father Martin played this role.

464
00:25:10,267 --> 00:25:12,300
I was driven by selfishness,

465
00:25:12,367 --> 00:25:14,433
when I became his driver.

466
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,533
He knew I had a working Jeep

467
00:25:18,067 --> 00:25:21,600
and that we always have a nice time,
when we meet

468
00:25:21,667 --> 00:25:23,367
we talk,

469
00:25:23,433 --> 00:25:25,800
we're going to eat something.

470
00:25:27,367 --> 00:25:30,600
I told him:
"If you want to go somewhere,

471
00:25:30,667 --> 00:25:32,733
dial my number first

472
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,300
because I always agree

473
00:25:40,233 --> 00:25:44,133
I talked
with Father Martin years earlier

474
00:25:45,233 --> 00:25:46,500
about children.

475
00:25:47,267 --> 00:25:49,000
He told me

476
00:25:49,467 --> 00:25:50,433
that...

477
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,767
God will allow possession
more children,

478
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,500
for actual possession,

479
00:25:56,567 --> 00:26:00,133
to punish their parents.

480
00:26:01,167 --> 00:26:03,500
"When you start to see it,

481
00:26:03,567 --> 00:26:05,333
know that this is a turning point

482
00:26:06,033 --> 00:26:07,700
So I looked into it

483
00:26:07,767 --> 00:26:11,100
and I actually noticed
increase in cases of possession among children

484
00:26:11,567 --> 00:26:13,467
over the last few years.

485
00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:16,733
We are encountering a new phenomenon,

486
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,633
demonic possession of children.

487
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,800
Demonic possession of children?

488
00:26:23,033 --> 00:26:25,133
Three, four, five, six-year-olds.

489
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,200
- Good heavens.
- Terrifying thing.

490
00:26:31,033 --> 00:26:31,733
This morning,

491
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,800
when Malachi's father called me,

492
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,500
I thought he wanted to confirm
our birthday dinner,

493
00:26:38,567 --> 00:26:40,767
which was to take place in a few weeks.

494
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,700
Instead he asked me
Can I take him?

495
00:26:43,767 --> 00:26:46,067
to Dr. Coomaraswamy in Connecticut.

496
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:49,233
I already knew the way
because I've been there several times.

497
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,700
So I said:
"Sure, I'd love to."

498
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:54,567
As we were driving there, I asked

499
00:26:55,233 --> 00:26:57,467
why are we going there.

500
00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:59,700
He said, "You'll drop me off there,

501
00:26:59,767 --> 00:27:02,067
and after two hours

502
00:27:02,133 --> 00:27:03,767
the family will come there

503
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,067
with a little daughter,

504
00:27:06,133 --> 00:27:08,600
who suffers from something

505
00:27:08,667 --> 00:27:11,000
which they believe is of demonic origin

506
00:27:11,167 --> 00:27:12,667
I said, "That's good,

507
00:27:12,733 --> 00:27:14,800
that I bring you ahead of time,

508
00:27:15,033 --> 00:27:17,100
because I don't want to get close to her

509
00:27:39,067 --> 00:27:40,567
Coming back there

510
00:27:41,233 --> 00:27:45,000
I soothed my soul.

511
00:27:45,067 --> 00:27:47,733
I didn't know

512
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,533
what awaits us there.

513
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,000
He probably suspected

514
00:27:53,067 --> 00:27:56,000
but he didn't tell me everything.

515
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:03,133
Little is known about the devil.

516
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
We know from the church and the Scriptures

517
00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:10,467
that Satan was one
of the most intelligent archangels.

518
00:28:10,533 --> 00:28:12,267
But he rebelled.

519
00:28:12,333 --> 00:28:16,300
Apparently there was a big battle
between good angels

520
00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,533
led by the archangel Michael
and Lucifer,

521
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,133
bringer of light, son of the morning.

522
00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:26,667
He was defeated and condemned to
what we call hell.

523
00:28:27,433 --> 00:28:28,700
From what we know

524
00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:31,433
God loves purity.

525
00:28:32,233 --> 00:28:34,667
He loves compassion. He loves beauty.

526
00:28:34,733 --> 00:28:37,200
Look at the beauty
that he created in nature.

527
00:28:37,267 --> 00:28:40,767
But above all else
God values one thing:

528
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,600
repentance.

529
00:28:43,167 --> 00:28:45,133
He loves to show grace.

530
00:28:46,367 --> 00:28:49,667
And how can he do it?
without people led into temptation,

531
00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:52,500
with whom can he forgive?
He didn't want a perfect world.

532
00:28:52,567 --> 00:28:53,433
PAIN

533
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,567
He wanted the world
where he could show grace.

534
00:28:55,633 --> 00:28:59,000
So he gave Satan the power to tempt.

535
00:29:01,667 --> 00:29:03,500
I was told the devil exists.

536
00:29:03,567 --> 00:29:06,300
This is what the Bible and even Jesus himself says.

537
00:29:06,767 --> 00:29:10,300
The Pope talks about the devil
as a real person.

538
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,700
I love Pope Francis,

539
00:29:13,767 --> 00:29:14,733
but I don't say that.

540
00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:17,533
But I can't say

541
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,767
that he is wrong and I am right.

542
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,200
I will find out the truth.

543
00:29:21,267 --> 00:29:22,333
I'm looking forward to...

544
00:29:23,433 --> 00:29:25,733
the end of my days soon,

545
00:29:26,133 --> 00:29:28,633
when I start a new adventure

546
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,567
and I will know the answers

547
00:29:30,633 --> 00:29:33,667
to the questions I've had all my life,

548
00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:35,300
and I didn't know the answer.

549
00:29:36,767 --> 00:29:38,333
If you don't believe in the devil,

550
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,267
in Lucifer,

551
00:29:41,333 --> 00:29:43,633
in the existence of sin, hell,

552
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,233
eternal damnation,

553
00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:49,167
you automatically reject
Christ's salvation.

554
00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:50,100
I'll even say

555
00:29:50,167 --> 00:29:53,767
that by denying the existence of Lucifer,
you ultimately deny it

556
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,533
the divinity of Christ, our savior.

557
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,333
What is the purpose of Christ's coming?

558
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,467
Was it supposed to bring us happiness?

559
00:30:01,533 --> 00:30:03,533
No, he was to save us from sin.

560
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,633
A sin.

561
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:09,300
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING

562
00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:12,633
The church is meant to meet real needs.
If he doesn't do this,

563
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:15,500
people turn away
and look for answers elsewhere.

564
00:30:15,567 --> 00:30:17,500
I can imagine the situation

565
00:30:17,567 --> 00:30:20,333
in the 1970s in New York,

566
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,267
when people expressed this need

567
00:30:23,667 --> 00:30:26,533
and were sent away by priests,

568
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,433
who told them we didn't believe anymore
in these old superstitions.

569
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:33,233
And yet this problem remained with people.

570
00:30:33,567 --> 00:30:37,067
If any of these people
reported to Malachi Martin,

571
00:30:37,133 --> 00:30:40,333
I'm sure he would react
as befits a priest.

572
00:30:42,733 --> 00:30:45,267
When a man is possessed by a demon,

573
00:30:45,333 --> 00:30:47,267
what is the goal

574
00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:49,467
such possession?

575
00:30:49,533 --> 00:30:54,200
The destruction of man's soul

576
00:30:54,733 --> 00:30:58,767
to the extent that
she must end up in hell.

577
00:31:00,367 --> 00:31:02,567
Everyone interprets God in their own way...

578
00:31:02,633 --> 00:31:05,100
PSYCHOTHERAPIST AND COURT ADVISOR

579
00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:08,767
...the devil and spirituality.

580
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:12,100
However, we cannot convince someone

581
00:31:12,167 --> 00:31:15,067
because the evidence does not exist.

582
00:31:15,133 --> 00:31:18,133
We cannot point out, "Here is the devil."

583
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,000
We don't have a photo of him.

584
00:31:20,267 --> 00:31:22,433
People will remain skeptical

585
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,300
until they see this photo.

586
00:31:24,367 --> 00:31:26,800
And that's good. Skepticism is a healthy thing.

587
00:31:27,033 --> 00:31:30,167
I encourage her.
Let's question everything.

588
00:31:30,233 --> 00:31:32,200
Let's question everything.

589
00:31:49,033 --> 00:31:51,000
Sometimes he was very talkative,

590
00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:56,667
and sometimes he retreated into himself.

591
00:31:59,233 --> 00:32:01,033
As we approached

592
00:32:01,633 --> 00:32:04,300
tension arose between us.

593
00:32:04,367 --> 00:32:07,500
We felt that something was cooking there.

594
00:32:09,433 --> 00:32:13,467
He heard my confession

595
00:32:13,533 --> 00:32:15,000
about half an hour earlier,

596
00:32:15,067 --> 00:32:17,233
so nothing weighed on my conscience.

597
00:32:18,467 --> 00:32:19,400
Despite this

598
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,100
we both had a bad feeling.

599
00:32:23,633 --> 00:32:25,633
I couldn't explain it.

600
00:32:46,533 --> 00:32:47,700
I'm Matt Baglio,

601
00:32:47,767 --> 00:32:50,600
author of the book Rite.
Secrets of modern exorcists.

602
00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:56,333
Rome is the capital of exorcism
for many reasons.

603
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,233
I heard about an exorcism course...

604
00:32:58,300 --> 00:32:59,633
AUTHOR OF THE BOOKS "RITE

605
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,467
...which made
that I became interested in this topic.

606
00:33:02,533 --> 00:33:05,700
Before starting the book
I didn't know anything about exorcism.

607
00:33:05,767 --> 00:33:07,667
I was amazed

608
00:33:08,533 --> 00:33:11,267
many things
that I learned in Italy.

609
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,133
Right now in Rome itself
the exorcism passes

610
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,533
about 20 people.

611
00:33:18,633 --> 00:33:20,700
Exorcism course,

612
00:33:20,767 --> 00:33:22,633
which we run in Rome,

613
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,800
it was created by a lay person.

614
00:33:25,733 --> 00:33:28,100
He gave me the opportunity to work...

615
00:33:28,167 --> 00:33:29,267
THE EXORCIST

616
00:33:29,333 --> 00:33:31,433
...with a very famous exorcist,

617
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,800
at least in Italy,

618
00:33:34,033 --> 00:33:35,600
father of Gabriele Amorth.

619
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,733
We try to introduce ourselves
general picture of exorcism.

620
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,600
We discuss the ritual,

621
00:33:44,667 --> 00:33:46,533
liturgy.

622
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,233
But we are also talking about medical aspects,

623
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:51,733
for the priest to understand the difference

624
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,000
between schizophrenia
and real possession.

625
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:59,633
Between a drugged person
or suffering from depression

626
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:01,433
and real possession.

627
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,133
Today's Church Hierarchy -

628
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,367
some of which supports this path,
and some don't -

629
00:34:09,433 --> 00:34:12,033
wants a more cautious approach.

630
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:16,400
They want to use contemporary
medicine and science,

631
00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:20,500
while not rejecting
own past

632
00:34:20,567 --> 00:34:23,600
and belief in exorcisms

633
00:34:24,367 --> 00:34:26,433
are necessary

634
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,500
in some rare cases.

635
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,400
One of the goals of the course
the show was closer to the priests

636
00:34:33,467 --> 00:34:35,067
traditional teachings

637
00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:37,633
Church
concerning, among others, the devil.

638
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,267
Many priests do not believe in exorcisms.

639
00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:42,667
This surprised me.

640
00:34:42,733 --> 00:34:45,767
They do not believe in the devil as a person.

641
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,167
They think about things from Hollywood movies.

642
00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:52,133
 � 

643
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,567
and say:
"Yeah, I don't believe it either."

644
00:34:54,633 --> 00:34:57,700
They tried to remind the priests

645
00:34:57,767 --> 00:35:01,200
that the Church believes in it
and it goes back to biblical times.

646
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,200
Christ was the first exorcist.

647
00:35:06,267 --> 00:35:11,267
He met many times
people possessed by the devil.

648
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:13,333
We read about it in Scripture.

649
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,200
He managed to exorcise the demons.

650
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:21,033
He then passed this power on to his disciples.

651
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:25,333
The students were also able to
exorcise demons.

652
00:35:29,467 --> 00:35:32,133
“No one is allowed
perform exorcisms

653
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,400
without local permission
church authorities

654
00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:38,133
CANON LAW

655
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,733
Jesus performed exorcisms
and through him

656
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,700
The Church was given the power to exorcise.

657
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:49,267
The so-called great exorcism

658
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,533
can only be carried out
by a priest with the bishop's permission.

659
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,567
A priest must act with caution,

660
00:35:56,633 --> 00:35:59,767
following the rules of the Church.

661
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,767
Illness, especially mental illness,

662
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,400
that's a completely different matter.

663
00:36:06,167 --> 00:36:09,400
Treating her is a medical matter.

664
00:36:09,467 --> 00:36:12,500
Therefore, before starting the exorcism...

665
00:36:12,567 --> 00:36:14,300
"POSSESSED."

666
00:36:14,367 --> 00:36:16,533
...make sure
that one is dealing with

667
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,600
with the presence of Satan, not disease.

668
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,500
Anneliese Michel died
from starvation at the age of 23.

669
00:36:25,567 --> 00:36:28,433
Student of religious sciences
she spoke in strange voices.

670
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:30,400
Doctors said it was epilepsy.

671
00:36:30,467 --> 00:36:32,100
But according to her, it's the devil's business.

672
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:40,500
Just like a group of priests recording voices.

673
00:36:46,233 --> 00:36:49,067
Priests performing a 17th century ritual

674
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:50,467
they thought he was successful,

675
00:36:50,533 --> 00:36:53,400
that Anneliese's soul was healed
at the time of death.

676
00:36:53,767 --> 00:36:56,100
But according to the accuser, the bishop,

677
00:36:56,167 --> 00:36:57,533
who approved the exorcism,

678
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,433
the priest who conducted it,
and the woman's parents,

679
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,467
they may hear accusations,

680
00:37:02,533 --> 00:37:05,400
because they did not provide help
starving woman.

681
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,067
In the world of science

682
00:37:12,133 --> 00:37:16,233
it starts with an open approach.

683
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,300
At first everything is taken into account,

684
00:37:19,367 --> 00:37:21,767
gradually eliminating what I can.

685
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,467
Everyone was different.

686
00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:26,033
Each one was very specific.

687
00:37:26,467 --> 00:37:29,133
I tried to rule out mental illness.

688
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,367
And various other factors.

689
00:37:32,433 --> 00:37:34,267
Cognitive processes.

690
00:37:34,333 --> 00:37:36,467
Psychotropic drugs.

691
00:37:36,533 --> 00:37:39,533
Possible side effects of these drugs.

692
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,567
I'm not afraid of skeptics,

693
00:37:41,633 --> 00:37:44,767
because I am one myself.

694
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,533
I don't believe every person
who claims to be possessed.

695
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,200
I'm very skeptical.

696
00:37:51,267 --> 00:37:56,133
Every priest should be like that.

697
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,133
To understand what he was dealing with.

698
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,167
I can tell

699
00:38:01,233 --> 00:38:03,233
from the experience of an exorcist,

700
00:38:04,433 --> 00:38:09,067
that over 90 percent of people
that comes to me

701
00:38:09,133 --> 00:38:12,300
claiming to have problems with the devil,

702
00:38:12,367 --> 00:38:14,367
they are not there at all.

703
00:38:15,233 --> 00:38:18,300
People keep saying
that they are possessed. It doesn't mean anything.

704
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,200
This must be ruled out.

705
00:38:20,567 --> 00:38:21,567
Or not.

706
00:38:24,567 --> 00:38:27,600
Then a man possessed by a demon was brought to Him,

707
00:38:27,667 --> 00:38:29,367
who was blind and mute.

708
00:38:29,433 --> 00:38:31,133
He healed him, yes

709
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,167
that the mute could speak and see.

710
00:38:34,233 --> 00:38:36,767
And all the crowds
They were full of admiration and said:

711
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,700
“Isn't this the son of David?� 

712
00:38:39,267 --> 00:38:41,767
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said,

713
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,067
"He only through Beelzebub,

714
00:38:44,133 --> 00:38:46,600
ruler of evil spirits, he casts out evil spirits

715
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,533
Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said to them,

716
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,533
"Every kingdom,
internally conflicted, it becomes desolate.

717
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,700
And no city or house
divided against himself, he will not stand.

718
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:02,533
If Satan casts out Satan,

719
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,533
he is at odds with himself,

720
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,500
how then will his kingdom stand?

721
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,000
And if I through Beelzebub
I cast out evil spirits,

722
00:39:10,067 --> 00:39:12,333
then why do your sons throw them away?

723
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,600
Therefore they will be your judges

724
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,533
We know that certain people
they program their children

725
00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:22,733
at the age of two,

726
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,767
and then they reinforce it
aged 7, 14 and 21.

727
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,667
They program them

728
00:39:30,233 --> 00:39:32,033
to worship Lucifer.

729
00:39:32,567 --> 00:39:34,033
They become Luciferians.

730
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,600
Thousands of them appear every year.

731
00:39:36,667 --> 00:39:40,067
We know who's doing it and where,

732
00:39:40,133 --> 00:39:43,267
but there's nothing we can do about it
it's a free country.

733
00:39:45,733 --> 00:39:48,667
The case has many factors.

734
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,467
Television is one of the most important.

735
00:39:51,533 --> 00:39:53,367
Music too.

736
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,300
We have prepared statistics
possessed people we know,

737
00:39:58,367 --> 00:39:59,767
and there are many of them.

738
00:40:00,367 --> 00:40:01,467
It doesn't matter...

739
00:40:02,433 --> 00:40:03,300
Race doesn't matter.

740
00:40:04,367 --> 00:40:05,433
Religion.

741
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,367
Sex.

742
00:40:08,433 --> 00:40:11,400
Intellect. Economic situation.

743
00:40:13,067 --> 00:40:14,267
There is no rule.

744
00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:17,200
It's an alchemical matter.

745
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,700
Possession attacks slowly.

746
00:40:19,767 --> 00:40:21,733
Satan does not appear with a scroll saying:

747
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,433
"You will receive all these things,
if you give me your soul

748
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,233
Faust's Mephistopheles.

749
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:28,333
It's not like that.

750
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,300
It's a simple thing. It develops slowly.

751
00:40:30,767 --> 00:40:32,133
Possession makes

752
00:40:33,267 --> 00:40:35,367
that at some point

753
00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:38,367
you are under the control of something

754
00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:41,533
what consumes your will
piece by piece.

755
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,467
It's a slow process, until one day

756
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:47,233
you can't say no, you're possessed.

757
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,300
You no longer have a choice.

758
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,467
How to recognize a completely possessed person?

759
00:40:57,767 --> 00:40:59,033
This is an important question.

760
00:41:00,133 --> 00:41:02,767
In some ways it's easy to answer.

761
00:41:05,433 --> 00:41:07,667
There is a test.

762
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,600
You know someone.

763
00:41:09,667 --> 00:41:11,333
You're bonding with her.

764
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,067
You can even go to bed with her.

765
00:41:15,133 --> 00:41:17,567
You work with him in the office,
you know him privately.

766
00:41:17,733 --> 00:41:19,567
You think you know him.

767
00:41:19,633 --> 00:41:21,100
Until one day

768
00:41:21,167 --> 00:41:22,767
something is happening

769
00:41:24,233 --> 00:41:27,300
and you see a completely new person.

770
00:41:29,033 --> 00:41:30,233
It's sudden.

771
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:34,500
A window to reality opens

772
00:41:34,567 --> 00:41:36,400
and suddenly it closes again.

773
00:41:36,467 --> 00:41:38,633
This is how you find out.

774
00:41:39,033 --> 00:41:41,600
They may be good fathers,
good politicians,

775
00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:44,500
good bankers.
They may be sexually reserved.

776
00:41:45,133 --> 00:41:46,633
But they are still possessed.

777
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:48,233
Possessed by Satan.

778
00:41:52,567 --> 00:41:55,033
Malachi told me many times

779
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,467
that in his opinion our society,

780
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,200
The West and the rest of the world
is heading towards some kind of breakthrough moment.

781
00:42:01,467 --> 00:42:04,667
He believed that during his life
or after...

782
00:42:04,733 --> 00:42:08,467
"When I play the harp."

783
00:42:08,533 --> 00:42:11,267
...some event will happen,

784
00:42:11,333 --> 00:42:15,367
that will define the end of the Catholic era,

785
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:16,800
as we know it.

786
00:42:18,233 --> 00:42:21,267
He said it was because of this
things will happen.

787
00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:25,600
The number of possessions will also increase.

788
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,433
I'm sure you know this part
from Deuteronomy when God says:

789
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,600
"You have two paths before you,

790
00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:35,200
and I tell you which one to follow

791
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,733
On the one hand, you can choose
life and goodness,

792
00:42:39,433 --> 00:42:43,233
on the other you can choose death and evil.

793
00:42:45,767 --> 00:42:48,500
After what I see

794
00:42:48,567 --> 00:42:53,167
I hear and read, I fully believe,

795
00:42:53,233 --> 00:42:56,467
that this is just the calm before the storm.

796
00:42:56,533 --> 00:43:00,433
We're heading towards

797
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:04,067
described by Father Martin.

798
00:43:04,133 --> 00:43:08,167
And I don't like it at all.

799
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,400
All over the world,

800
00:43:11,233 --> 00:43:14,800
in all nations
approximately five billion people,

801
00:43:16,067 --> 00:43:20,167
mainly due to the legalization of abortion,
but also through contraceptives,

802
00:43:20,233 --> 00:43:23,133
euthanasia, legalized infanticide,

803
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,367
instigated civil wars,

804
00:43:25,433 --> 00:43:27,500
omnipresent hunger,

805
00:43:27,567 --> 00:43:29,200
flood of refugees.

806
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,167
Never before in history

807
00:43:32,233 --> 00:43:35,267
not so much blood was shed
in such a brutal way.

808
00:43:35,333 --> 00:43:38,567
So much senseless death.

809
00:43:38,633 --> 00:43:42,400
As a community of nations
we specialize in the death of the masses.

810
00:43:42,467 --> 00:43:46,000
And we belong to her
whether we like it or not.

811
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,733
We act against life.

812
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,233
Against life.

813
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:52,667
There is blood on our hands.

814
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:58,000
And every 24 hours there is more and more of it.

815
00:43:58,067 --> 00:43:59,400
This is the truth.

816
00:43:59,467 --> 00:44:00,733
This is the truth.

817
00:44:02,233 --> 00:44:04,267
It's not an underground thing.

818
00:44:04,767 --> 00:44:05,800
This is a must see.

819
00:44:06,033 --> 00:44:09,000
If you lack faith and spirituality,

820
00:44:09,067 --> 00:44:10,167
you won't notice it.

821
00:44:10,233 --> 00:44:12,733
You will miss all the supernatural miracles

822
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,233
and reverse miracles.

823
00:44:18,033 --> 00:44:19,567
Open your eyes.

824
00:44:19,633 --> 00:44:22,067
Find God and you will see it.

825
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,600
Lucifer managed to convince people
that it doesn't exist.

826
00:44:35,233 --> 00:44:38,133
He is responsible for World War II,

827
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,233
where we fought
and no one talks about him.

828
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,600
He made us behave like this
as if he didn't exist.

829
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:57,133
A headline from the film press might read:
"The devil crushes the mafia."

830
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,067
Because in 22 American ones
and Canadian cities

831
00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:03,033
The Godfather loses

832
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,400
with a film about diabolical possession,
The Exorcist.

833
00:45:09,167 --> 00:45:12,167
A funny video was made
titled The Exorcist,

834
00:45:12,233 --> 00:45:14,100
based on the book by William Blatty.

835
00:45:14,167 --> 00:45:17,467
It represents an exorcism
in a completely false light.

836
00:45:17,533 --> 00:45:18,533
It's a scam.

837
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,267
They present exorcism as connection

838
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:24,233
Frankenstein, Dracula, green goo,

839
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:26,200
breaking windows and flying bodies.

840
00:45:26,267 --> 00:45:30,033
And this is something
much more terrible and deadly.

841
00:45:31,067 --> 00:45:35,067
What we see in The Exorcist
can happen

842
00:45:35,633 --> 00:45:38,100
but in space
the entire life of an exorcist.

843
00:45:38,167 --> 00:45:42,033
PROFESSOR OF LITURGY
AND DEAN OF THE FACULTY

844
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,333
It's unbelievable all this

845
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,733
occurred in one case.

846
00:45:49,467 --> 00:45:53,400
Movies often condense things like this.

847
00:45:53,467 --> 00:45:58,067
An exorcist told me
that he had only seen levitation once

848
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,567
during 20 years of work.

849
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:02,733
But he saw her.

850
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:06,800
He saw a child floating above the floor.

851
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,533
When we handed over the Devil's Hostages,

852
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,400
the fact that Tony was
good friend of Peter Blatty,

853
00:46:16,467 --> 00:46:18,800
he was giving us difficulties.

854
00:46:19,033 --> 00:46:23,200
Malachi had to obtain a letter from the Pope

855
00:46:23,267 --> 00:46:25,100
confirming,

856
00:46:25,167 --> 00:46:28,267
that everything looked like this
as he wrote.

857
00:46:28,333 --> 00:46:31,600
Malachi indeed
he received a letter from Paul VI.

858
00:46:32,567 --> 00:46:35,133
When Peter Blatty heard about it,

859
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,200
he got angry.

860
00:46:37,667 --> 00:46:39,033
Simply...

861
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:41,667
The exorcism was his.

862
00:46:41,733 --> 00:46:45,033
He didn't just refuse to write
advertising blurb for the book,

863
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,700
but also wrote a review
for the Los Angeles Times

864
00:46:48,767 --> 00:46:50,333
starting with the words:

865
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,567
"I hate this book."

866
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,467
I wrote this book in '75

867
00:46:55,533 --> 00:46:57,733
for only one reason.

868
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,167
I realized that my peers

869
00:47:00,233 --> 00:47:02,767
from America, Canada, Australia and Ireland

870
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,533
they forgot what it was all about.

871
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,067
They didn't believe it anymore. So I decided

872
00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:10,300
that as a person working in this field

873
00:47:10,367 --> 00:47:15,067
I will obtain transcripts from several exorcisms

874
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:17,300
and I will publish them along with the foreword.

875
00:47:20,133 --> 00:47:22,700
I read Martin's book
shortly after release.

876
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,067
She made an impression on me.

877
00:47:26,133 --> 00:47:29,433
This is a very dramatic portrait of exorcism.

878
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:33,433
He's a Catholic priest

879
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:36,767
writing about,
which many people have no idea about.

880
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,467
Whatever you think about The Devil's Hostages,

881
00:47:39,533 --> 00:47:43,367
it is a riveting read, even today.

882
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,267
I'm John Zaffis,

883
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:50,800
paranormal investigator and demonologist.

884
00:47:51,033 --> 00:47:53,700
I've been doing this for 42 years.

885
00:47:53,767 --> 00:47:57,633
I'm watching
supposedly haunted places

886
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,667
and potential possessions.

887
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:03,467
Years ago people were happy

888
00:48:03,533 --> 00:48:05,100
they sat down to read.

889
00:48:05,167 --> 00:48:06,233
DEMONOLOGIST

890
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,300
Hostages of the devil
it's one of the first books

891
00:48:09,367 --> 00:48:12,200
about this topic that I have read.

892
00:48:12,667 --> 00:48:15,500
I had the opportunity to meet him

893
00:48:15,567 --> 00:48:18,100
when he spoke at a small meeting.

894
00:48:18,567 --> 00:48:23,000
He had a significant look in his eyes
for many spiritual people.

895
00:48:23,067 --> 00:48:25,033
He tried to feel you.

896
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:28,200
When you start working
in this field,

897
00:48:28,267 --> 00:48:30,633
you have to be careful

898
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:34,367
making new friends.

899
00:48:34,433 --> 00:48:36,567
'Cause a lot of people are out to get you

900
00:48:36,633 --> 00:48:38,733
destroy you.

901
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:44,233
He was immersed in more myths.

902
00:48:45,467 --> 00:48:48,667
The devil's hostages describe

903
00:48:50,767 --> 00:48:51,800
how he tried

904
00:48:53,033 --> 00:48:54,267
cast out the devil

905
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,200
from different people,

906
00:48:59,367 --> 00:49:01,300
which he possessed.

907
00:49:01,633 --> 00:49:04,200
According to all critics...

908
00:49:04,267 --> 00:49:06,167
Distortions and trash

909
00:49:06,233 --> 00:49:08,300
...his work doesn't hold together.

910
00:49:08,367 --> 00:49:12,100
I am pleased to report,
that the book is full of kitsch and filth

911
00:49:12,167 --> 00:49:14,067
the rest of contemporary literature.

912
00:49:14,133 --> 00:49:15,633
Malachi Martin

913
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,133
can't tell the difference between a demon and a fairy tale troll.

914
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,467
The book gained enormous popularity.

915
00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:25,067
Over time, it outsold The Exorcist.

916
00:49:25,133 --> 00:49:27,200
It is still in print and in bookstores.

917
00:49:27,267 --> 00:49:29,333
Over a million copies were sold.

918
00:49:32,567 --> 00:49:36,300
He was a romantic by nature.

919
00:49:36,367 --> 00:49:39,400
so he wanted to tell
a romantic story.

920
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,400
And he did it well.

921
00:49:42,467 --> 00:49:45,033
He sold many books.

922
00:49:47,167 --> 00:49:48,100
On the one hand

923
00:49:48,467 --> 00:49:50,367
he was always interested

924
00:49:50,667 --> 00:49:54,367
making things up by all means
sensational stories.

925
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,333
On the other hand

926
00:49:56,633 --> 00:50:00,067
some think it was himself

927
00:50:00,133 --> 00:50:02,233
he was possessed by the devil.

928
00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:06,600
Introducing yourself as someone

929
00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:09,300
who can drive away the devil,

930
00:50:09,367 --> 00:50:10,667
was quite a trick.

931
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,700
- Have you ever been possessed?
- NO.

932
00:50:13,767 --> 00:50:16,800
Some critics think
that you were there when you wrote this book.

933
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,333
In such a case, may the Lord heal me.

934
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:22,333
I doubt it.

935
00:50:25,467 --> 00:50:28,367
People need to understand one thing.

936
00:50:28,433 --> 00:50:29,567
He was a pioneer.

937
00:50:29,633 --> 00:50:30,800
He went to people about it.

938
00:50:31,033 --> 00:50:33,767
He started appearing on the radio

939
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,333
speaking on these topics.

940
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,000
Demonology.

941
00:50:38,067 --> 00:50:39,133
Possession.

942
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,433
These things really exist.

943
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,767
He was, as it were, crucified by the Church,

944
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,767
people ridiculed him.

945
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,033
“Distortment, false images
and uncontrolled imagination

946
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:53,700
in defense of his own thesis

947
00:50:53,767 --> 00:50:55,433
You know what Ben Jonson said,

948
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,500
when someone wrote
similar words about his work?

949
00:50:59,567 --> 00:51:01,667
"When someone throws mud at me,

950
00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:04,200
I know it's his only weapon

951
00:51:05,367 --> 00:51:07,600
I don't argue with critics.

952
00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:09,733
I'm not interested
what they have to say.

953
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,267
And I think Father Martin felt the same way.

954
00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:15,233
We are more interested in pleasing God

955
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,033
than to other people.

956
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:21,300
They criticize you
when you remember God and Jesus.

957
00:51:21,367 --> 00:51:24,567
They want to remove them from the Pledge of Allegiance.

958
00:51:24,633 --> 00:51:26,767
They want to get rid of the Ten Commandments.

959
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,633
But strangely enough,

960
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,000
mention of God
it's on our money.

961
00:51:31,067 --> 00:51:33,200
Nobody throws them away.

962
00:51:33,267 --> 00:51:36,233
If you don't believe in God,

963
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:38,033
you want to get rid of it,

964
00:51:38,467 --> 00:51:41,000
take all your money

965
00:51:41,533 --> 00:51:42,800
and give them back.

966
00:51:43,033 --> 00:51:44,567
Now. Don't wait.

967
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:49,100
Give them back.
Because God's name is on money.

968
00:51:49,167 --> 00:51:50,633
You are a hypocrite.

969
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:52,567
Do it.

970
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,467
ON AIR

971
00:51:54,533 --> 00:51:57,633
We've never met
but I talked to him

972
00:51:58,567 --> 00:52:00,033
many hours on the radio.

973
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:01,600
RADIO PERSONALITY AND AUTHOR

974
00:52:01,667 --> 00:52:04,133
I was lucky. We became friends.

975
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,800
I guess you can't listen to Malachi

976
00:52:07,033 --> 00:52:10,500
without making up for it
one opinion or another.

977
00:52:11,133 --> 00:52:16,533
I received several faxes
from very upset people.

978
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,367
I don't doubt it.

979
00:52:18,433 --> 00:52:23,400
“How dare you present to the audience

980
00:52:23,467 --> 00:52:27,467
these outdated superstitions?� 

981
00:52:27,533 --> 00:52:28,767
They were furious.

982
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,233
I know this well.

983
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:36,700
Those who get angry the most
they feel this way

984
00:52:36,767 --> 00:52:40,200
because it disturbs their lives.

985
00:52:41,233 --> 00:52:43,667
This is a sign of weakness.

986
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,367
We show them how they live,

987
00:52:47,433 --> 00:52:50,100
and they don't like it
when someone reminds them about it.

988
00:52:54,433 --> 00:52:56,500
He put it all to good use.

989
00:52:56,633 --> 00:52:59,700
He made a lot of money writing these books

990
00:52:59,767 --> 00:53:04,067
and appearing on radio and television.

991
00:53:05,533 --> 00:53:06,400
However

992
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,633
how did it all end?

993
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,633
Disappointment from those
who finally saw through it.

994
00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:17,167
Father Martin,
where can I send my father a letter?

995
00:53:18,467 --> 00:53:19,767
To this address:

996
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,200
217 East 66th Street,
New York, New York.

997
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,100
He provided his personal data,

998
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:32,367
because he wanted to help people.

999
00:53:32,433 --> 00:53:34,667
Do I think this was a good idea? NO.

1000
00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:38,500
I warned him

1001
00:53:38,567 --> 00:53:40,733
that this might be a bad idea.

1002
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,500
I receive thousands of emails every day.

1003
00:53:45,567 --> 00:53:48,167
I knew what he was cooking.

1004
00:53:53,633 --> 00:53:57,133
I looked at the answering machine,
wondering

1005
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,800
why he doesn't answer.

1006
00:53:59,033 --> 00:54:00,600
It displayed the number 99.

1007
00:54:00,667 --> 00:54:04,600
I started listening to messages from people

1008
00:54:05,433 --> 00:54:08,200
thinking they are possessed.
Everyone wanted to talk to him.

1009
00:54:09,167 --> 00:54:12,500
I called Malachi
and asked what was going on.

1010
00:54:12,567 --> 00:54:13,700
He said...

1011
00:54:13,767 --> 00:54:15,467
He apologized and said:

1012
00:54:16,467 --> 00:54:18,767
"I didn't want to give my number,
so I gave yours.

1013
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,500
I promise I won't do it again

1014
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,667
I don't think I've ever met the person
with such charisma.

1015
00:54:26,733 --> 00:54:28,167
He drew you to him.

1016
00:54:29,233 --> 00:54:30,400
He was very charming.

1017
00:54:30,467 --> 00:54:32,100
Intelligent.

1018
00:54:32,167 --> 00:54:34,400
Knowledgeable in many fields

1019
00:54:34,467 --> 00:54:38,133
the external and spiritual world.

1020
00:54:38,633 --> 00:54:42,600
I talked to a couple of people

1021
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,633
who were devastated

1022
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:49,233
because their relationships fell apart.

1023
00:54:50,167 --> 00:54:54,600
I know how painful it was.

1024
00:54:54,667 --> 00:54:57,767
I was afraid it would be the same
it could happen to me.

1025
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,167
Yes, it's true

1026
00:55:01,233 --> 00:55:04,400
people have become too possessive.

1027
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:09,300
I understand why. He was very attractive.

1028
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,500
He was a charming guy
telling witty stories.

1029
00:55:16,367 --> 00:55:19,133
Even quite obscene.

1030
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,467
Because he was so extraordinary,

1031
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:24,733
most of us at parties

1032
00:55:25,367 --> 00:55:26,533
she forgave him.

1033
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,533
We said, "Malachi is like that."

1034
00:55:34,033 --> 00:55:35,733
Unfortunately,

1035
00:55:36,133 --> 00:55:37,433
men are men.

1036
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,200
Malachi Martin was a man...

1037
00:55:39,267 --> 00:55:40,367
Malachi Martin,

1038
00:55:41,467 --> 00:55:43,400
I quote, "he fell in love."

1039
00:55:43,467 --> 00:55:45,667
in my wife.

1040
00:55:46,233 --> 00:55:48,367
A romance began between them.

1041
00:55:54,367 --> 00:55:56,000
I didn't want to think about it

1042
00:55:56,067 --> 00:55:58,300
that he is having an affair with my wife.

1043
00:55:58,367 --> 00:56:01,233
I denied this thought for a long time.

1044
00:56:03,433 --> 00:56:06,333
He was just a liar, a scoundrel and a fraud.

1045
00:56:06,733 --> 00:56:10,067
I'm glad you judge
Lord Jesus will be me.

1046
00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:12,200
I don't want anyone to judge me.

1047
00:56:12,267 --> 00:56:14,633
Every decent person
would condemn me to hell

1048
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,233
because I'm a dirty pig.

1049
00:56:16,767 --> 00:56:18,300
I've been her all my life.

1050
00:56:18,367 --> 00:56:20,767
I know myself better than anyone.

1051
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200
I know I don't deserve anything.

1052
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:33,733
I never saw the ego in him.
I was traveling with him

1053
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,533
and I said, "Father,

1054
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,167
I want to be holy like you

1055
00:56:37,233 --> 00:56:39,133
He replied to me:

1056
00:56:40,067 --> 00:56:41,800
"In God's eyes I am a miserable pig."

1057
00:56:42,033 --> 00:56:44,000
I almost crashed the car.

1058
00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,500
"If you are a pig,
then I'm finished

1059
00:56:46,567 --> 00:56:48,033
No way

1060
00:56:48,267 --> 00:56:50,733
that I would go to heaven.

1061
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,467
That's clear.

1062
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,300
He's a fighter.

1063
00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:58,233
He is a warrior of God. He was and still is.

1064
00:57:09,467 --> 00:57:13,400
It started in 1984,
when I graduated from a Catholic university

1065
00:57:13,467 --> 00:57:17,067
with a degree in Soviet Union studies.

1066
00:57:17,533 --> 00:57:21,633
Then I started working for the government

1067
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:23,567
in the Central Intelligence Agency.

1068
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,733
I was there until '97.

1069
00:57:27,733 --> 00:57:30,367
Many activities were secret,

1070
00:57:30,433 --> 00:57:33,200
so I can't talk about it.

1071
00:57:38,167 --> 00:57:41,167
It's weird, but I haven't been here in years.

1072
00:57:41,233 --> 00:57:44,000
And I remember these feelings.

1073
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,433
These are very mixed feelings.

1074
00:57:50,333 --> 00:57:52,400
Feeling of fear.

1075
00:57:54,767 --> 00:57:58,333
I always felt like I couldn't
protect him from everything.

1076
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,067
After some time I realized

1077
00:58:01,533 --> 00:58:05,600
that what he is struggling with,
A government badge won't help

1078
00:58:05,667 --> 00:58:09,100
or weapons.

1079
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,200
The government can train you
to fight everything

1080
00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:18,133
beyond what cannot be seen.

1081
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,633
They won't prepare you for this.

1082
00:58:25,367 --> 00:58:28,333
He tried to hide
involvement of the New York Police

1083
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,733
in exorcisms.

1084
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,600
Just because he couldn't risk it

1085
00:58:32,667 --> 00:58:35,100
that someone's tongue will get tangled

1086
00:58:35,167 --> 00:58:37,400
and go to the newspaper,

1087
00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:40,433
saying the NYPD

1088
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:43,200
she helped drive away demons.

1089
00:58:44,267 --> 00:58:47,067
So his cooperation
with the New York Police

1090
00:58:47,133 --> 00:58:49,733
she limited herself

1091
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,733
to interact with people
such as Ralph Sarchie.

1092
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,667
But it was never officially said

1093
00:58:54,733 --> 00:58:57,200
that the police called an exorcist.

1094
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:02,367
These are my notes.

1095
00:59:02,433 --> 00:59:03,700
That's what this is about.

1096
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,167
Sometimes it's hard
but most of the time you can figure it out

1097
00:59:08,233 --> 00:59:10,233
based on a person's behavior.

1098
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:13,433
It's obvious it's not a mental illness
just something else.

1099
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,267
A good exorcist, a good detective

1100
00:59:17,333 --> 00:59:19,433
will discover what's going on.

1101
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:21,500
It may take time, but it's doable.

1102
00:59:29,067 --> 00:59:32,100
It must be a priest with the bishop's permission.

1103
00:59:32,167 --> 00:59:34,333
I know several bishops.
I went to them saying:

1104
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,033
“This or that person

1105
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,300
I need an exorcism

1106
00:59:39,367 --> 00:59:41,433
Much is left to the exorcist,

1107
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,667
because at some point

1108
00:59:43,733 --> 00:59:46,767
I must say to the possessed person:
"Who are you?� 

1109
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,300
The exorcist never answers
to the questions of the possessed person.

1110
00:59:52,367 --> 00:59:55,267
They are pressed to learn their names.

1111
00:59:55,333 --> 00:59:56,567
Nasty names.

1112
00:59:57,067 --> 00:59:58,633
Ominous, sardonic names.

1113
00:59:59,733 --> 01:00:02,367
Once this is done, their backs are against the wall.

1114
01:00:02,767 --> 01:00:06,267
They become obedient
at the sound of that name.

1115
01:00:06,333 --> 01:00:09,033
Then you find out
who sent them

1116
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:12,667
how they got here, what is their specialty.

1117
01:00:13,333 --> 01:00:15,533
They are like dogs, they try to run away from you.

1118
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,533
You have to chase like a dog.

1119
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,733
Until it bites you. You have to be careful.

1120
01:00:22,767 --> 01:00:25,533
It's amazing how weak people are

1121
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,767
in the face of supernatural things.

1122
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,233
In contact with supernatural things

1123
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:35,100
strong men can cry.

1124
01:00:36,233 --> 01:00:38,067
It's too much for them.

1125
01:00:38,133 --> 01:00:40,800
They are terrified.

1126
01:00:41,433 --> 01:00:44,333
If they try
measure your intellect,

1127
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:47,000
they will be swallowed up.

1128
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,433
Malachi Martin was tightly bound

1129
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:59,433
with Dr. Coomaraswamy
personally and spiritually.

1130
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,600
He knew that Dr. Coomaraswamy

1131
01:01:03,767 --> 01:01:06,000
I will never try to deceive him,

1132
01:01:06,467 --> 01:01:09,300
so when Rama Coomaraswamy called

1133
01:01:09,767 --> 01:01:13,467
and asked Malachi
he saw this young girl

1134
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,100
Malachi didn't hesitate.

1135
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,133
Especially since it was about the fate of a child.

1136
01:01:23,033 --> 01:01:24,633
Such a young child

1137
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:28,100
he cannot choose evil of his own free will.

1138
01:01:28,167 --> 01:01:29,400
It's impossible.

1139
01:01:29,467 --> 01:01:32,500
Imagine a little child.
He cannot make that decision.

1140
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,233
This is also another reason

1141
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:40,000
for whom such a child
cannot be fully possessed.

1142
01:01:40,667 --> 01:01:43,633
As Malachi said,
to be fully possessed,

1143
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:46,467
you have to express your will yourself.

1144
01:01:49,733 --> 01:01:53,800
He wasn't looking for adventure. He knew the dangers.

1145
01:01:54,033 --> 01:01:58,300
He wasn't in the right mental shape,
to perform exorcism.

1146
01:01:58,367 --> 01:02:02,533
He also did not have adequate spiritual protection.

1147
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,600
But he got into trouble

1148
01:02:04,667 --> 01:02:06,533
to danger,

1149
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,200
because she was a little girl,

1150
01:02:08,267 --> 01:02:12,733
and the family felt
that there is no other solution.

1151
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,333
My first feeling was fear.

1152
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,167
Growing fear.

1153
01:02:23,233 --> 01:02:24,500
I can't explain it.

1154
01:02:25,067 --> 01:02:26,600
As I said,

1155
01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:29,033
I knew that in the eyes of the Church

1156
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:30,633
I was in a state of grace.

1157
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:33,067
I had nothing to worry about.

1158
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:35,433
Despite this...

1159
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:39,067
We all know

1160
01:02:40,567 --> 01:02:43,500
this feeling of anxiety.

1161
01:02:44,067 --> 01:02:45,500
It was growing.

1162
01:02:47,433 --> 01:02:49,100
It kept growing.

1163
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,567
It's willpower.
You don't wake up one morning

1164
01:02:52,633 --> 01:02:54,567
saying, "Oh my, I've been possessed."

1165
01:02:54,633 --> 01:02:57,200
It's a slow process
to which you consent.

1166
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,167
If you open your heart to Satan,
will accept the invitation.

1167
01:03:04,333 --> 01:03:05,633
It's not...

1168
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:07,467
He won't refuse.

1169
01:03:08,333 --> 01:03:12,233
If someone lets him in,
will use it.

1170
01:03:12,567 --> 01:03:14,167
He will take advantage of this opportunity.

1171
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,233
BIBLE

1172
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:21,800
I asked your disciples
to throw him out, but they couldn't.

1173
01:03:22,433 --> 01:03:23,700
Then Jesus said:

1174
01:03:23,767 --> 01:03:27,567
“O faithless and perverse generation!
How long will I be with you?

1175
01:03:28,333 --> 01:03:30,000
and will I put up with you?

1176
01:03:30,533 --> 01:03:31,600
Bring your son here

1177
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,700
And they brought him to Him.
At the sight of Jesus

1178
01:03:35,767 --> 01:03:38,333
the ghost immediately started tugging at the boy,

1179
01:03:38,733 --> 01:03:42,433
so that he fell to the ground
and rolled around with foam at the mouth.

1180
01:03:43,433 --> 01:03:46,767
Jesus asked his father:
“How long has this been happening to him?� 

1181
01:03:47,433 --> 01:03:49,567
He replied, "Since childhood."

1182
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:03,167
Seventeen years old.

1183
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,467
Seventeen years,
and right now I have the impression

1184
01:04:06,533 --> 01:04:08,533
that it was yesterday.

1185
01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:15,200
We are.

1186
01:04:29,067 --> 01:04:32,333
I feel a contraction in my chest
as we get closer to home.

1187
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,733
Mixed with sadness.

1188
01:04:37,633 --> 01:04:40,000
On a very real, human level.

1189
01:04:40,067 --> 01:04:43,033
We're talking about a man

1190
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,200
who for years

1191
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,033
for 11, 12 years

1192
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:50,300
he was like family to me.

1193
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,133
We were family.

1194
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,000
And now I'm getting closer to the place
in which he faced

1195
01:04:56,067 --> 01:04:59,033
with something none of us know
he hadn't seen it before,

1196
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,433
which ultimately took his life.

1197
01:05:05,467 --> 01:05:07,600
I feel a mixture of sadness

1198
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:10,167
fear,

1199
01:05:12,467 --> 01:05:13,333
fear

1200
01:05:15,267 --> 01:05:17,400
and anger at what happened to him.

1201
01:05:17,467 --> 01:05:20,333
It took away my best friend.

1202
01:05:45,567 --> 01:05:46,733
He was my best friend.

1203
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:54,667
Jesus.

1204
01:06:08,067 --> 01:06:10,700
I thought I would be calmer here.

1205
01:06:12,067 --> 01:06:14,133
My heart is pounding like a drum.

1206
01:06:17,767 --> 01:06:19,000
We stopped.

1207
01:06:20,133 --> 01:06:21,433
Their car was parked there.

1208
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,667
It was a Ford Explorer.

1209
01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:27,700
I said to Malachi:

1210
01:06:29,367 --> 01:06:33,233
"Is that them? They weren't supposed to be here yet."

1211
01:06:34,667 --> 01:06:37,500
He hasn't said anything yet.

1212
01:06:37,567 --> 01:06:39,367
But his face told me

1213
01:06:41,367 --> 01:06:42,267
that it's them.

1214
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:51,600
He left.

1215
01:06:52,167 --> 01:06:54,000
Sit here for a moment.

1216
01:06:55,333 --> 01:06:56,467
- Why?
- I want...

1217
01:06:57,133 --> 01:06:58,000
Focus.

1218
01:06:58,733 --> 01:07:01,367
I was with a group investigating haunted houses.

1219
01:07:02,167 --> 01:07:07,267
We had different specialties. We had
doctor, nurse, psychologist.

1220
01:07:07,333 --> 01:07:10,400
I was the camera operator.

1221
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,500
I took photos and shot a video.

1222
01:07:13,567 --> 01:07:14,500
I restrained the victims.

1223
01:07:15,767 --> 01:07:18,667
A producer from ABC found our website.

1224
01:07:18,733 --> 01:07:20,700
There was an article on it

1225
01:07:20,767 --> 01:07:23,000
about potential possession.

1226
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,100
He asked if we were interested
our own TV show.

1227
01:07:27,167 --> 01:07:29,133
We said yes, of course.

1228
01:07:30,467 --> 01:07:35,200
It was 25 years ago when it was on TV
there were no such programs.

1229
01:07:35,267 --> 01:07:38,333
It hasn't been said yet
about paranormal investigators.

1230
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,367
We were pioneers. During the investigations,

1231
01:07:42,433 --> 01:07:45,100
research and evaluation of people

1232
01:07:45,167 --> 01:07:47,667
I had no one to look up to.

1233
01:07:48,333 --> 01:07:52,700
There was no manual
with whom I could study.

1234
01:07:52,767 --> 01:07:57,200
I learned from my own experiences,

1235
01:07:57,267 --> 01:07:59,667
working on various cases

1236
01:07:59,733 --> 01:08:01,567
with different people.

1237
01:08:01,633 --> 01:08:04,233
Some people in our group felt

1238
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,467
that we always had
dealing with possession.

1239
01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:09,633
I don't.

1240
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:14,200
Expressing a personal and professional opinion,

1241
01:08:14,267 --> 01:08:17,667
I rejected a lot of these things.

1242
01:08:17,733 --> 01:08:22,033
If I were to say in numbers,

1243
01:08:22,567 --> 01:08:24,767
I rejected about two-thirds of the cases.

1244
01:08:25,767 --> 01:08:28,167
It was our first exorcism.

1245
01:08:28,233 --> 01:08:30,533
It took place at home, not in church.

1246
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,433
We didn't know what was going to happen.

1247
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,567
The girl didn't believe she was possessed.
We weren't sure.

1248
01:08:35,633 --> 01:08:38,300
She said: "I probably won't react to it."

1249
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,300
But that morning
we felt the atmosphere of anger,

1250
01:08:45,367 --> 01:08:47,467
it was very cold.

1251
01:08:47,533 --> 01:08:50,700
The temperature in the room dropped repeatedly.

1252
01:08:50,767 --> 01:08:53,300
It rose and fell.

1253
01:08:55,667 --> 01:08:58,567
When the priest began to recite the litany,

1254
01:08:58,633 --> 01:09:01,533
she started squirming and screaming,

1255
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,167
breaking free from his bonds.
She stood up like this

1256
01:09:05,233 --> 01:09:08,400
and she broke free from the elms.
She attacked the priest.

1257
01:09:08,467 --> 01:09:10,533
She tried to gouge out her eyes.

1258
01:09:11,467 --> 01:09:14,633
I tried to immobilize her.

1259
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:15,667
She bit me.

1260
01:09:43,433 --> 01:09:46,767
We got out of the car. He told me:

1261
01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:51,633
"Let's introduce ourselves and you can go."

1262
01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:01,700
We approached them.

1263
01:10:02,433 --> 01:10:04,000
We introduced ourselves.

1264
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,667
This little girl

1265
01:10:06,733 --> 01:10:09,167
she approached Malachi.

1266
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,067
She looked at him and said:

1267
01:10:12,133 --> 01:10:14,800
“You are Malachi's father
and you think you will help her

1268
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:18,533
Then I knew
that I'm dealing with something

1269
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:20,700
something I wasn't prepared for.

1270
01:10:21,167 --> 01:10:22,467
And Malachi...

1271
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:26,267
he was behaving
like she was a normal little girl.

1272
01:10:28,267 --> 01:10:29,467
I knew something was wrong.

1273
01:10:32,367 --> 01:10:35,267
Although I didn't know she was possessed.

1274
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,433
It was a four-year-old girl.
The embodiment of innocence.

1275
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:43,500
There was no reason
why this would happen to her.

1276
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,667
Malachi looked at me meaningfully.

1277
01:10:48,767 --> 01:10:51,767
“This is my turf, Bob.

1278
01:10:52,167 --> 01:10:54,467
You shouldn't be here

1279
01:10:55,267 --> 01:10:57,233
It wasn't my place.

1280
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,400
To make sure

1281
01:11:15,467 --> 01:11:18,733
whether the person is possessed,

1282
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,200
you need four characters:

1283
01:11:22,633 --> 01:11:24,167
Extraordinary strength.

1284
01:11:26,167 --> 01:11:29,000
Knowledge of ancient languages.

1285
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,133
Fear of sacred things.

1286
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:37,167
And knowledge of the hidden ones
or very distant things.

1287
01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:44,000
The first three can be fooled.

1288
01:11:44,633 --> 01:11:47,000
I can pretend
that I am extremely strong.

1289
01:11:47,567 --> 01:11:49,700
I can use Latin or Greek,

1290
01:11:49,767 --> 01:11:51,700
because I remember them from school.

1291
01:11:52,467 --> 01:11:57,167
I can pretend that I am afraid of the cross.

1292
01:11:57,233 --> 01:11:58,300
This can be faked.

1293
01:11:59,033 --> 01:12:00,533
But I can't fake it

1294
01:12:01,567 --> 01:12:02,667
I can't pretend

1295
01:12:03,633 --> 01:12:08,167
that I know about the things that
really happened in your life,

1296
01:12:09,067 --> 01:12:11,667
that I couldn't find out about.

1297
01:12:13,233 --> 01:12:15,200
You have to be guided by common sense.

1298
01:12:15,267 --> 01:12:17,400
"Maybe she overheard us,

1299
01:12:17,467 --> 01:12:20,433
she heard our conversation.

1300
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:23,700
Or her mother knew something about us

1301
01:12:23,767 --> 01:12:28,133
and she blurted it out.

1302
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,667
Maybe she read something about us on the Internet

1303
01:12:32,733 --> 01:12:36,400
Common sense is needed.

1304
01:12:36,467 --> 01:12:40,133
But sometimes there's just no way
for someone to know.

1305
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,033
Personal items
regarding our families,

1306
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:46,000
the things that happened that morning.

1307
01:12:46,733 --> 01:12:48,333
No way.

1308
01:12:49,367 --> 01:12:52,467
Things I haven't even talked about
with colleagues.

1309
01:12:52,533 --> 01:12:53,767
How could they know that?

1310
01:12:55,167 --> 01:12:56,267
I won't explain it.

1311
01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:01,400
One of the things that convinces me
that there might be something to it

1312
01:13:01,467 --> 01:13:03,700
in very rare cases,

1313
01:13:03,767 --> 01:13:09,133
that this is not always the case
hyperactive imagination,

1314
01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:12,067
is that I made it
talk to people

1315
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,133
who were not priests,
who were skeptics,

1316
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:16,133
scientists,

1317
01:13:17,033 --> 01:13:20,667
who have experienced these things themselves
and they couldn't explain them.

1318
01:13:20,733 --> 01:13:23,667
Their testimony matched that

1319
01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:25,633
what the exorcists said.

1320
01:13:27,633 --> 01:13:31,600
Real terror, real pain,

1321
01:13:31,667 --> 01:13:34,433
real suffering

1322
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:36,333
it is the presence of Satan.

1323
01:13:37,233 --> 01:13:39,433
When we start the exorcism,

1324
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,133
in the first 20 minutes we know

1325
01:13:43,233 --> 01:13:44,667
Is this real possession?

1326
01:13:44,733 --> 01:13:47,033
Suddenly it becomes clear.

1327
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,067
Bright.

1328
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:53,767
It's like an invisible animal
whose clutches you cannot escape.

1329
01:13:56,567 --> 01:13:59,500
There are also physical symptoms
such as temperature change,

1330
01:13:59,567 --> 01:14:01,133
smells, odors,

1331
01:14:02,067 --> 01:14:03,333
flying objects.

1332
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,200
A possessed person can also be aggressive.

1333
01:14:07,733 --> 01:14:09,067
You have to hold her.

1334
01:14:09,133 --> 01:14:11,433
You have assistants who are not afraid.

1335
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,300
Many people

1336
01:14:14,367 --> 01:14:17,167
at the start
first exorcism

1337
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:19,233
fear takes over.

1338
01:14:19,733 --> 01:14:23,067
This is the most unhealthy, sick,

1339
01:14:23,133 --> 01:14:27,500
nasty, inhuman thing,
in which you can participate.

1340
01:14:27,567 --> 01:14:29,733
But we have to do it
to save these people.

1341
01:14:30,367 --> 01:14:33,400
The exorcist, assistants and the possessed person

1342
01:14:33,467 --> 01:14:37,267
are in the presence of something
who hates us,

1343
01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:40,633
like you've never experienced.

1344
01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:52,167
When you look beyond sensationalism,

1345
01:14:52,233 --> 01:14:54,733
as I watched
these exorcisms,

1346
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:55,800
one thing

1347
01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:59,000
is clearly visible: these people are suffering.

1348
01:14:59,567 --> 01:15:03,000
Just as a human being

1349
01:15:03,067 --> 01:15:05,233
you want them to feel better.

1350
01:15:10,167 --> 01:15:12,700
We are checked frequently.

1351
01:15:12,767 --> 01:15:14,433
That morning was no different.

1352
01:15:15,067 --> 01:15:18,267
This exorcism lasted several hours.

1353
01:15:18,333 --> 01:15:22,233
But when it ended,
there was such a change in the room.

1354
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:24,233
It was something beautiful.

1355
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:27,600
I can't put it into words.

1356
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,000
When they contacted us, it was simple
we enjoyed being on TV.

1357
01:15:37,067 --> 01:15:39,300
EXORCISM ON TV!

1358
01:15:39,367 --> 01:15:41,533
We saw the impact the program had

1359
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,367
and how many people
from all over the country is in need,

1360
01:15:44,433 --> 01:15:46,633
and can't get help in his area.

1361
01:15:49,700 --> 01:15:52,467
We're talking about real ones here
suffering people.

1362
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:54,633
They want healing.

1363
01:15:55,267 --> 01:15:56,767
They deserve peace.

1364
01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,567
They beg for peace,

1365
01:16:00,133 --> 01:16:01,800
which only the Church can give them,

1366
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:05,267
being in these serious situations.

1367
01:16:16,133 --> 01:16:17,800
I came back for it two hours later.

1368
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,267
It was a beautiful summer day.

1369
01:16:21,333 --> 01:16:23,533
I drove up in my jeep.

1370
01:16:24,533 --> 01:16:26,267
I remember their Ford Explorer.

1371
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:29,100
It was tan, parked here

1372
01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:31,667
directed towards that house.

1373
01:16:32,333 --> 01:16:33,433
They have already left the house

1374
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:36,167
and they began to say goodbye.

1375
01:16:36,233 --> 01:16:39,000
I saw them coming from the direction of the house.

1376
01:16:39,067 --> 01:16:41,067
I stayed there.

1377
01:16:42,133 --> 01:16:45,400
I got out and saw it
Malachi talking to his parents.

1378
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,333
The parents were getting into the car.

1379
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,033
They helped the child sit in the back.

1380
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:54,633
The mother rolled down the window.

1381
01:16:54,700 --> 01:16:57,433
Malachi said goodbye to his parents

1382
01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:59,633
and approached the child.

1383
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,100
When the window was opened,

1384
01:17:02,167 --> 01:17:05,667
he just walked up to him.

1385
01:17:05,733 --> 01:17:08,600
I remember her face in that window.

1386
01:17:08,667 --> 01:17:11,367
She blew him a kiss.

1387
01:17:11,433 --> 01:17:14,000
It was something disgusting, lewd.

1388
01:17:14,067 --> 01:17:17,700
As if something was tainting innocence.

1389
01:17:17,767 --> 01:17:21,000
Like this
a whore blows a kiss to a client,

1390
01:17:21,067 --> 01:17:22,467
who just paid her.

1391
01:17:22,733 --> 01:17:24,067
This is what it looked like.

1392
01:17:24,367 --> 01:17:26,767
Malachi was completely confused.

1393
01:17:30,033 --> 01:17:31,533
It's incredibly rare

1394
01:17:31,767 --> 01:17:34,567
was a four-year-old child
was mentally ill.

1395
01:17:35,433 --> 01:17:37,400
I don't know the details of this case,

1396
01:17:37,467 --> 01:17:40,133
but if she was sexually provocative,

1397
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,233
she could learn it
being molested.

1398
01:17:45,067 --> 01:17:47,233
But we're talking about a four-year-old here.

1399
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:51,233
It's very rare to do that at that age

1400
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:53,467
this can be explained by mental illness.

1401
01:17:53,533 --> 01:17:56,333
Or also with narcotic drugs.

1402
01:17:57,300 --> 01:17:59,367
Drug-induced psychosis.

1403
01:17:59,433 --> 01:18:01,533
Schizophrenia. Something like that.

1404
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,167
To the skeptics I would say,
that the people I met then

1405
01:18:05,233 --> 01:18:08,700
they seemed to be
a typical American family.

1406
01:18:09,267 --> 01:18:11,667
There was no indication of such a thing.

1407
01:18:12,533 --> 01:18:15,500
Conversations in this house

1408
01:18:15,767 --> 01:18:17,100
convinced

1409
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,633
senior exorcist
Roman Catholic Church

1410
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:23,000
and Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy,

1411
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:25,233
a real psychiatrist,

1412
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,567
that something is bothering this girl

1413
01:18:28,067 --> 01:18:29,467
out of this world,

1414
01:18:29,533 --> 01:18:32,200
which is not explained by modern medicine.

1415
01:18:38,667 --> 01:18:41,767
I asked him in the car:

1416
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,567
“So you think this is a real deal?� 

1417
01:18:44,633 --> 01:18:48,700
"I have no doubt
but it will be difficult

1418
01:18:49,367 --> 01:18:53,533
I called it "hammers and tongs".

1419
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,367
I asked, “Are you talking about hammers and pliers?� 

1420
01:18:56,633 --> 01:18:59,700
Then he fell silent

1421
01:18:59,767 --> 01:19:00,633
and we drove away.

1422
01:19:15,133 --> 01:19:19,500
People may think
that the hostage is a possessed person.

1423
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,067
But in reality
it is a priest performing an exorcism.

1424
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:30,333
Malachi underwent several heart surgeries.

1425
01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:33,733
He always tried
give the impression of a robust person.

1426
01:19:34,767 --> 01:19:37,300
But exorcism

1427
01:19:37,367 --> 01:19:39,100
they cost you a lot.

1428
01:19:39,467 --> 01:19:40,333
It's just...

1429
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:44,067
When you realize
that it's a real deal

1430
01:19:44,533 --> 01:19:46,533
you understand there is a price to pay.

1431
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,500
Each exorcism took some of his life away.

1432
01:19:50,033 --> 01:19:52,433
Malachi never worried

1433
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,533
for your own health.

1434
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,733
The people around him were worried.

1435
01:20:01,033 --> 01:20:04,467
The doctor told him to slow down a bit

1436
01:20:04,533 --> 01:20:07,000
and he stopped many of the things he was doing.

1437
01:20:07,067 --> 01:20:10,533
But a real priest

1438
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,633
he must be the next Christ.
That's what they called him.

1439
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:16,800
You're putting your own life at risk.

1440
01:20:22,433 --> 01:20:26,167
The more he helped people,
the bigger the target became.

1441
01:20:26,233 --> 01:20:28,067
This affects their personal lives

1442
01:20:28,133 --> 01:20:30,467
and everything around them.

1443
01:20:30,533 --> 01:20:32,767
It's a very isolated world.

1444
01:20:50,667 --> 01:20:52,367
That morning the phone rang.

1445
01:20:52,433 --> 01:20:54,533
I heard Malachi

1446
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,800
he spoke in a very weak voice.

1447
01:20:58,300 --> 01:20:59,567
He told me:

1448
01:20:59,633 --> 01:21:01,500
"Bob, I had a little accident."

1449
01:21:02,367 --> 01:21:06,000
"How so?�

1450
01:21:06,067 --> 01:21:09,467
I was reaching for a book while standing on a stool,

1451
01:21:10,033 --> 01:21:12,600
that was suddenly kicked out from under me

1452
01:21:12,667 --> 01:21:16,100
"What, kicked out?� 

1453
01:21:16,167 --> 01:21:19,333
"The devil didn't like it,
what we did in Connecticut

1454
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:24,333
Some said he claimed
that someone pushed him.

1455
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,300
It is unclear whether it was an evil spirit,

1456
01:21:29,367 --> 01:21:30,633
or man.

1457
01:21:32,767 --> 01:21:36,133
Some say
that he was pushed off a ladder.

1458
01:21:37,267 --> 01:21:44,267
Because he had it behind him
this terrible story.

1459
01:21:44,333 --> 01:21:46,033
They wanted to lock him up.

1460
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:48,667
It was something terrible.

1461
01:21:49,633 --> 01:21:51,800
He said I needed to know

1462
01:21:52,633 --> 01:21:55,467
that it wasn't a fall.

1463
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,567
This creature

1464
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,167
it grabbed him

1465
01:22:03,633 --> 01:22:06,433
above the ankle
and led him to fall.

1466
01:22:08,267 --> 01:22:09,800
When he went to the hospital,

1467
01:22:10,033 --> 01:22:11,533
he fell into a coma.

1468
01:22:12,467 --> 01:22:17,433
They restricted access to his room.

1469
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:20,300
It was a semi-private room
at Lennox Hill Hospital.

1470
01:22:20,367 --> 01:22:24,667
I'm not ashamed to say
that I howled like a child,

1471
01:22:25,167 --> 01:22:27,600
because my best friend
he was in a coma.

1472
01:22:28,467 --> 01:22:32,533
I knew he couldn't hear me with his ears.

1473
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,567
I hoped he could hear me with his soul.

1474
01:22:35,767 --> 01:22:38,400
I had a feeling in this room

1475
01:22:38,467 --> 01:22:42,333
that there was a fight going on even though he was in a coma.

1476
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,533
Therefore our prayers

1477
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,600
they were so important.

1478
01:22:54,133 --> 01:22:56,533
About a day and a half later

1479
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,800
his agent, Lila, called me

1480
01:23:00,033 --> 01:23:02,333
saying that Malachi had died.

1481
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,133
I hung up

1482
01:23:07,133 --> 01:23:09,233
I went to the office

1483
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:12,367
and I started
pray the rosary for his soul.

1484
01:23:15,533 --> 01:23:19,067
We want to accept God.

1485
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:21,600
Doesn't this matter to Jesus?

1486
01:23:21,667 --> 01:23:23,333
If you give him...

1487
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,800
When I heard
that he went for his final reward,

1488
01:23:28,033 --> 01:23:29,500
because that's what was waiting for him,

1489
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,367
I felt sad.

1490
01:23:32,433 --> 01:23:36,467
I was afraid
losing one of his mentors.

1491
01:23:36,533 --> 01:23:38,467
It's so...

1492
01:23:38,533 --> 01:23:42,133
What should I do now
stumbling upon something I know nothing about?

1493
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,800
I miss him
and I would like to talk to him.

1494
01:23:46,033 --> 01:23:48,167
And I still talk to him.

1495
01:23:49,433 --> 01:23:51,767
Okay, probably about 20 people

1496
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,800
he will come to mass on Sunday.

1497
01:23:59,267 --> 01:24:01,067
Myślę, że wiedział, co robił.

1498
01:24:01,133 --> 01:24:03,767
He knew the risk, and yet he decided to do it.

1499
01:24:05,367 --> 01:24:08,733
This is a big win for the devil.

1500
01:24:09,367 --> 01:24:13,033
He was taken from us too soon.

1501
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:14,233
Early.

1502
01:24:16,533 --> 01:24:19,000
Satan did his thing.

1503
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,300
This is a great tragedy.

1504
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:35,667
Father Martin
he told me about this case.

1505
01:24:35,733 --> 01:24:38,000
The girl was four years old.

1506
01:24:38,067 --> 01:24:42,433
When she was eight years old
I was an assistant at her exorcism.

1507
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:48,400
This child needed years of exorcism.

1508
01:24:48,467 --> 01:24:51,433
It wasn't a demon.

1509
01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:54,667
It was the devil himself and he was very powerful.

1510
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:10,367
She spoke fluent Latin during the exorcism.

1511
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,533
I can find eight-year-olds
Latin speakers

1512
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,167
but that's different

1513
01:25:17,233 --> 01:25:21,133
they learn it from the first grade.

1514
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,033
This girl didn't learn it.

1515
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:25,767
It was unknown to her.

1516
01:25:26,667 --> 01:25:29,433
- Who taught you this?
- Nobody.

1517
01:25:30,633 --> 01:25:32,133
- Nobody?
- Nobody.

1518
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,567
- Not your father?
- NO.

1519
01:25:34,633 --> 01:25:36,133
So how do you know her?

1520
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,300
I just know.

1521
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:46,233
Using a language that
was not previously known to the person,

1522
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:49,700
this is a clear sign of demonic possession.

1523
01:25:49,767 --> 01:25:52,267
During an exorcism

1524
01:25:52,333 --> 01:25:56,567
we obtained this evidence.

1525
01:25:59,533 --> 01:26:03,467
This was next level stuff.

1526
01:26:03,533 --> 01:26:07,333
I hope she finds relief.

1527
01:26:08,167 --> 01:26:11,733
I hope her soul
it belongs to God now.

1528
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,400
Regardless of her physical condition,

1529
01:26:14,467 --> 01:26:17,233
I hope her soul belongs to God.

1530
01:26:19,467 --> 01:26:21,800
I curse you, devil.

1531
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,233
-Should I say it?
- Yes.

1532
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:26,333
I curse you, devil.

1533
01:26:27,367 --> 01:26:29,367
Get lost.

1534
01:26:29,433 --> 01:26:32,067
Leave me alone.

1535
01:26:32,133 --> 01:26:34,533
Now and forever.

1536
01:26:35,233 --> 01:26:37,767
I hate you.

1537
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,633
You are the devil.

1538
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:42,300
Amen.

1539
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:58,200
If you contact
with the Jesuit curia in Rome -

1540
01:26:58,267 --> 01:27:01,000
it's a big building in the shadow of the Vatican -

1541
01:27:01,067 --> 01:27:02,700
they will give you the facts,

1542
01:27:02,767 --> 01:27:05,300
if at all
they choose to talk to you.

1543
01:27:05,367 --> 01:27:08,133
They will tell you
that Malachi Martin was a Jesuit.

1544
01:27:08,733 --> 01:27:11,667
That he was in Rome for a period of time.

1545
01:27:11,733 --> 01:27:14,800
However, they are not sure about his role
nor the level of power.

1546
01:27:15,333 --> 01:27:19,167
They'll say he worked
over the Dead Sea Scrolls.

1547
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,100
According to the Jesuits, when Malachi Martin
left Rome in 1965,

1548
01:27:24,633 --> 01:27:26,767
he was no longer a priest.

1549
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,733
Malachi Martin had no right

1550
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,700
perform exorcisms,

1551
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:37,433
unless he has obtained permission
local bishop.

1552
01:27:46,267 --> 01:27:49,467
Some characters
it's hard to get off the stage.

1553
01:27:49,533 --> 01:27:53,033
But if you leave the stage,
leaving questions

1554
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:55,600
in the viewers' minds, you did well.

1555
01:27:58,700 --> 01:28:02,033
My husband is drawn to haunted houses.

1556
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:05,700
According to the Jesuits
Father Martin was not a priest,

1557
01:28:05,767 --> 01:28:08,267
when he left them in '65.

1558
01:28:08,333 --> 01:28:11,333
When you become a priest,
you are always there.

1559
01:28:12,167 --> 01:28:15,400
Father Martin
he never abandoned his vows.

1560
01:28:15,467 --> 01:28:17,767
He could even strengthen them,

1561
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,600
being outside the Church.

1562
01:28:19,667 --> 01:28:21,333
This is what God wanted.

1563
01:28:21,633 --> 01:28:23,700
And they don't like it.

1564
01:28:31,767 --> 01:28:36,600
We all are
gifted with intuition and instinct.

1565
01:28:37,767 --> 01:28:39,267
When we enter the room

1566
01:28:39,333 --> 01:28:41,767
and there is someone suffering in it,

1567
01:28:42,567 --> 01:28:45,633
we know it, we feel it, we see it.

1568
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:49,167
Sometimes we don't even need to see the person.

1569
01:28:49,233 --> 01:28:51,800
Sometimes we feel it while driving home.

1570
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,400
It's a feeling in your gut.

1571
01:28:54,467 --> 01:28:57,467
We feel it within us

1572
01:28:58,367 --> 01:29:01,700
we react to what is foreign.

1573
01:29:04,067 --> 01:29:06,567
This is probably not the answer you're looking for,

1574
01:29:06,633 --> 01:29:09,633
but I presented my evidence.

1575
01:29:09,700 --> 01:29:11,700
People will either believe it or not.

1576
01:29:11,767 --> 01:29:13,800
It's hard to change someone's beliefs.

1577
01:29:14,433 --> 01:29:17,200
You can only spread the word.

1578
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:20,467
If you help someone with this, great.

1579
01:29:21,233 --> 01:29:23,733
I've been doing this for 20 years.
If I helped one person,

1580
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,133
who was actually possessed, it was worth it.

1581
01:29:30,433 --> 01:29:33,133
These are very refined spirits,

1582
01:29:33,533 --> 01:29:35,733
who want to hurt us.

1583
01:29:36,567 --> 01:29:37,567
They are real.

1584
01:29:43,633 --> 01:29:46,767
I noticed that since his death...

1585
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,467
SEPTEMBER 10, 2015

1586
01:29:48,533 --> 01:29:51,267
...interest in his work
and it did not decrease.

1587
01:29:51,733 --> 01:29:56,067
He believed everything he said.

1588
01:29:56,567 --> 01:29:59,733
He used available means, i.e. the media,

1589
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,300
to spread the news.

1590
01:30:01,767 --> 01:30:04,500
It's his confidence

1591
01:30:04,567 --> 01:30:06,033
she made an impression on us.

1592
01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:09,300
There is also an element of mystery.

1593
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:14,433
He was a fascinating man.

1594
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:17,767
He told me too
many things in private.

1595
01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:20,200
We talked a lot.

1596
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:26,267
He told me about things
that I can't talk to anyone about,

1597
01:30:27,067 --> 01:30:28,733
because I made him a promise.

1598
01:30:30,333 --> 01:30:31,800
However, he said -

1599
01:30:32,533 --> 01:30:34,400
if you want your blood to run cold -

1600
01:30:35,233 --> 01:30:38,000
"Imagine the worst thing
what you can do.

1601
01:30:38,067 --> 01:30:43,233
I'm telling you it will get much worse

1602
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:48,500
On these recordings

1603
01:30:48,567 --> 01:30:51,433
we could see the evidence that

1604
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:54,300
that this is Satan's last move.

1605
01:30:54,367 --> 01:30:56,700
Will kill many people

1606
01:30:56,767 --> 01:30:59,267
he will destroy,
used scorched earth tactics.

1607
01:30:59,333 --> 01:31:02,067
He will destroy as much as he can,
before he finally falls back into the abyss,

1608
01:31:02,133 --> 01:31:04,267
handcuffed by Michał.

1609
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:12,367
I think Malachi Martin
he started to believe his own lies.

1610
01:31:12,767 --> 01:31:14,333
He was so convincing.

1611
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:15,267
Some

1612
01:31:15,333 --> 01:31:18,033
they didn't hate him, but they felt sorry for him,

1613
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:20,400
because he was completely crazy.

1614
01:31:21,733 --> 01:31:23,633
The charisma was real.

1615
01:31:25,233 --> 01:31:27,167
It's really...

1616
01:31:28,333 --> 01:31:29,500
What is he...

1617
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:33,633
His message was true.

1618
01:31:36,367 --> 01:31:38,633
Everyone had to make a decision.

1619
01:31:39,067 --> 01:31:40,200
Who do you believe?

1620
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,200
This man is telling the truth. Who do you believe?

1621
01:31:46,500 --> 01:31:48,800
His life was a war.

1622
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:53,367
War history.
It was a war against the forces

1623
01:31:53,767 --> 01:31:57,333
not of this world as Christ described them.

1624
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,100
He devoted himself 150 percent to this.

1625
01:32:02,367 --> 01:32:05,367
He was the most fascinating person
that I met.

1626
01:32:05,667 --> 01:32:06,533
Absolutely.

1627
01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:08,567
Simply.

1628
01:32:11,167 --> 01:32:12,100
There is hope.

1629
01:32:13,067 --> 01:32:14,667
That's for sure.

1630
01:32:15,633 --> 01:32:18,400
We are sure that everything will be fine

1631
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,400
better than before.

1632
01:32:22,467 --> 01:32:25,700
We also have the confidence that Christ had,

1633
01:32:25,767 --> 01:32:28,500
knowing that he would rise on the third day

1634
01:32:28,567 --> 01:32:31,067
and will rise to heaven.

1635
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:33,767
He knew and we know

1636
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,200
that the path to this ultimate goal

1637
01:32:38,267 --> 01:32:40,800
it will be incredibly painful.

1638
01:32:41,033 --> 01:32:43,467
We know this from history, from Scripture,

1639
01:32:43,533 --> 01:32:45,133
we know this from Fatima.

1640
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,433
The worst is still ahead of us
before the tide turns.

1641
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:52,233
We are talking about a very unpleasant situation here.

1642
01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:55,067
Human errors are responsible for them.

1643
01:32:55,133 --> 01:32:57,500
Errors of popes, bishops,

1644
01:32:57,567 --> 01:33:00,100
priests, nuns

1645
01:33:00,167 --> 01:33:03,633
and lay people. Everyone had their share.

1646
01:33:05,367 --> 01:33:08,467
But God is punishing the entire race

1647
01:33:08,533 --> 01:33:09,767
for the sins of the few.

1648
01:33:29,733 --> 01:33:32,067
There's one more thing about Lucifer,

1649
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:34,567
what we should remember:

1650
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:38,100
We cannot defend ourselves against it

1651
01:33:38,733 --> 01:33:40,000
alone.

1652
01:33:40,533 --> 01:33:41,800
No one can compare to him

1653
01:33:42,367 --> 01:33:43,267
on this earth.

1654
01:33:44,567 --> 01:33:45,433
Nobody.

1655
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,500
I'm sorry with all my heart

1656
01:33:54,567 --> 01:33:57,500
if I offended you.

1657
01:33:57,567 --> 01:34:01,133
I despise my sins

1658
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,233
more than any other evil,

1659
01:34:04,300 --> 01:34:08,400
because they disappoint you, God.

1660
01:34:08,467 --> 01:34:11,533
I decide

1661
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,133
in the face of holy grace,

1662
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,467
that I won't offend you again,

1663
01:34:17,533 --> 01:34:21,067
but I will improve my life. Amen.

1664
01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:23,400
Whoever can, let him kneel.

1665
01:34:39,533 --> 01:34:40,533
Friends,

1666
01:34:42,067 --> 01:34:43,400
it is a holy sacrament.

1667
01:34:44,667 --> 01:34:46,133
I always have it with me.

1668
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:47,700
It really exists.

1669
01:34:47,767 --> 01:34:50,200
He was with us this whole time.

1670
01:34:50,567 --> 01:34:52,500
Amen.

1671
01:34:53,233 --> 01:34:55,067
- All right.
- Thank you.

1672
01:34:55,133 --> 01:34:56,533
I didn't know.

1673
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,733
I didn't know he was with us the whole time.

1674
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,267
Father Martin is well armed.